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Lysis Quotes by Plato: Context & Meanings

3 quotations linked to Lysis by or associated with Plato, with source notes, explanations and related topics.

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Plato’s Lysis, philosophical dialogue about affection and friendship

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Friendship, affection, desire, reciprocity, what people lack, affinity and philosophical inquiry.

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Benjamin Jowett — Translator · Ancient Greek → English

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And the truly dear or ultimate principle of friendship is not for the sake of any other or further dear.
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“And the truly dear or ultimate principle of friendship is not for the sake of any other or further dear.”

Voice: Dialogue speaker · Socrates

Socrates examines whether some cherished thing can be valued for its own sake rather than only because it leads to another benefit. He advances a possible ultimate object of friendship, but the argument immediately faces further questions and the dialogue finishes without an agreed definition. Reading this as a tested hypothesis prevents the line from becoming a misleading slogan about ideal friendship.

Source details

Plato, Lysis, approximately 219c–d, Socrates speaking with Lysis and Menexenus; Benjamin Jowett English, Project Gutenberg #1579. The sentence follows a chain of examples of things desired for other things, and Socrates soon reopens the argument by asking whether friendship depends on evil. It is a provisional dialectical step, not a conclusive formula offered by Plato.

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Then love, and desire, and friendship would appear to be of the natural or congenial. Such, Lysis and Menexenus, is the inference.
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“Then love, and desire, and friendship would appear to be of the natural or congenial. Such, Lysis and Menexenus, is the inference.”

Voice: Dialogue speaker · Socrates

Socrates tentatively suggests that attachment may arise from an affinity between people, after reasoning about what desire lacks. He and his companions immediately test—and ultimately fail to settle—this proposal; the sentence is a provisional inference, not Plato’s final definition of love or friendship.

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Lysis, around Stephanus 221e, Socrates addressing Lysis and Menexenus while exploring desire, affinity and friendship. Benjamin Jowett English, Project Gutenberg #1579. The dialogue goes on to challenge whether the congenial is simply the like and ends without reaching a settled definition; do not present the tentative argument as an unconditional fact.

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Yea, by the dog of Egypt, I should greatly prefer a real friend to all the gold of Darius, or even to Darius himself: I am such a lover of friends as that.
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“Yea, by the dog of Egypt, I should greatly prefer a real friend to all the gold of Darius, or even to Darius himself: I am such a lover of friends as that.”

Voice: Dialogue speaker · Socrates

Socrates tells Menexenus that finding a genuine friend matters more to him than immense wealth or royal power. The comic oath and comparison with Darius are deliberately extravagant, leading into his admission that he does not yet know how friendship is formed. This is a dramatic statement of what he prizes, not a claim that money can never help relationships.

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Plato, Lysis, around 211e–212a (opening inquiry into friendship), Socrates addressing Menexenus; Benjamin Jowett English, Project Gutenberg #1579, dramatic text after Menexenus rejoins the discussion. Gold of Darius is a historical royal-wealth comparison and Socrates goes on to question what it means to be a friend. Do not attribute this speech to Plato as personal autobiography.